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	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ondrej Prochazka</title>
		<link>http://www.delongwine.com/news/2006/06/30/carignan-hipster-wine/#comment-6999</link>
		<dc:creator>Ondrej Prochazka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

Interestingly enough, the label does say Appellation Minervois Contrôlée. An image is available over here:

http://www.maisondesvins.be/images/domaine/Pierre-Cros/minervois-vieilles-vignes.jpg

It's a bit of mystery. I'll try to ask Pierre Cros the next time I talk to him and let you know.

Thanks again, and keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, the label does say Appellation Minervois Contrôlée. An image is available over here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.maisondesvins.be/images/domaine/Pierre-Cros/minervois-vieilles-vignes.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.maisondesvins.be/images/domaine/Pierre-Cros/minervois-vieilles-vignes.jpg</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit of mystery. I&#8217;ll try to ask Pierre Cros the next time I talk to him and let you know.</p>
<p>Thanks again, and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve De Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve De Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ondrej,

I completely agree about Languedoc Merlot -- it just doesn't really work.  

I've never tried the Domaine Cros Vielles Vignes but would imagine that it is not a Minervois but a Vin de Pays des Hauts de Badens since AOC Minervois is as you mention 60% max Carignan.  The term Vielles Vignes is mostly used for 100% varietal wines as complex blends such as Minervois would usually have several different vine ages.  Unfortunately if you don't have the label in front of you, it's hard to verify!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ondrej,</p>
<p>I completely agree about Languedoc Merlot &#8212; it just doesn&#8217;t really work.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never tried the Domaine Cros Vielles Vignes but would imagine that it is not a Minervois but a Vin de Pays des Hauts de Badens since AOC Minervois is as you mention 60% max Carignan.  The term Vielles Vignes is mostly used for 100% varietal wines as complex blends such as Minervois would usually have several different vine ages.  Unfortunately if you don&#8217;t have the label in front of you, it&#8217;s hard to verify!</p>
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		<title>By: Ondrej Prochazka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ondrej Prochazka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great and informative article.

I'm fond of quality Carignan wines as they tend to have much more character than the fashionable Bordelais varieties planted everywhere in the New World and Midi these days (yes, I mean Merlot). Carignan wines usually stop a tiny step short of true greatness and their aging potential is limited to about five years, yet in hands of gifted winemakers they can become a treat even to the most demanding connaisseur. What I especially like about them is the wild, rustic, leatherly flavor, difficult to find in any other variety, especially in a relatively young wine.

My great pick is Domaine Cros Vieilles Vignes (Minervois), which has provided stunning character and complexity in any vintage I came across over the past few years. However, here's a question:  the tasting notes for this wine usually state that this is 100% carignan, yet it's classified as AOC Minervois. My impression was that one could not have more than 60% of Carignan in that appelation... am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great and informative article.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fond of quality Carignan wines as they tend to have much more character than the fashionable Bordelais varieties planted everywhere in the New World and Midi these days (yes, I mean Merlot). Carignan wines usually stop a tiny step short of true greatness and their aging potential is limited to about five years, yet in hands of gifted winemakers they can become a treat even to the most demanding connaisseur. What I especially like about them is the wild, rustic, leatherly flavor, difficult to find in any other variety, especially in a relatively young wine.</p>
<p>My great pick is Domaine Cros Vieilles Vignes (Minervois), which has provided stunning character and complexity in any vintage I came across over the past few years. However, here&#8217;s a question:  the tasting notes for this wine usually state that this is 100% carignan, yet it&#8217;s classified as AOC Minervois. My impression was that one could not have more than 60% of Carignan in that appelation&#8230; am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: john bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>john bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick question
with all of the new implementation to cut back, there has to be a substantial amount of surplus vines that would grow well in the UK. How can we get the process of buying redundant aged vines ready for planting, who to speak with how to collect etc
(44) 1525 288555 if any suggestions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question<br />
with all of the new implementation to cut back, there has to be a substantial amount of surplus vines that would grow well in the UK. How can we get the process of buying redundant aged vines ready for planting, who to speak with how to collect etc<br />
(44) 1525 288555 if any suggestions</p>
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		<title>By: john bojanowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>john bojanowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For lovers of california carignanes, after a very disappointing showing from the usa during our 2004 world carignan tasting, i've finally found some delicious ones.  In May I went to California personally to hunt them down and found 4 which were good, 3 from Sonoma.  My personal favorite was Porter Creek in Healdsburg where we had a long visit with Alex Davis.  At lunch, Randall Graham from Bonny Doon stunned us with his new UK-only carignane (morris-verdin imports) as well as other wines.  We were wonderfully received by Dave Caffaro (vineyard of same name) though there was a bit more wood than I like in the carignane and Trentadue's carignane was good too (though the owner wasn't there for the appointment...).  I've also heard good about Meeker and Ridge (and visited Preston years ago) but didn't get to try on this trip.  A good start though.  All that info, plus more will eventually get up onto our www.carignans.com carignan website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For lovers of california carignanes, after a very disappointing showing from the usa during our 2004 world carignan tasting, i&#8217;ve finally found some delicious ones.  In May I went to California personally to hunt them down and found 4 which were good, 3 from Sonoma.  My personal favorite was Porter Creek in Healdsburg where we had a long visit with Alex Davis.  At lunch, Randall Graham from Bonny Doon stunned us with his new UK-only carignane (morris-verdin imports) as well as other wines.  We were wonderfully received by Dave Caffaro (vineyard of same name) though there was a bit more wood than I like in the carignane and Trentadue&#8217;s carignane was good too (though the owner wasn&#8217;t there for the appointment&#8230;).  I&#8217;ve also heard good about Meeker and Ridge (and visited Preston years ago) but didn&#8217;t get to try on this trip.  A good start though.  All that info, plus more will eventually get up onto our <a href="http://www.carignans.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.carignans.com</a> carignan website.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve De Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve De Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the recommendation, Martin.

Hi Marcus,  Thanks for your recommendation as well.  Merlot just seems to turn out weird in the Languedoc.  It must be too hot for it to develop as we know it.  We had another "Heretique" from Mas des Chimères but this time made from Cab. Sauv. and Merlot. Given the grape varieties it probably should have been called "Crusader" and was the oddest wine sampled on our trip.  We brought a bottle back for analysis in the lab.  

It will certainly be a true indication of Carignan's reversal of fortune if it starts showing up on import labels.  I know that the Chateau d’Oupia Les Hérétiques bottle never listed grape varieties, although Louis/Dressner doesn't do explanatory back label for any of its wines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the recommendation, Martin.</p>
<p>Hi Marcus,  Thanks for your recommendation as well.  Merlot just seems to turn out weird in the Languedoc.  It must be too hot for it to develop as we know it.  We had another &#8220;Heretique&#8221; from Mas des Chimères but this time made from Cab. Sauv. and Merlot. Given the grape varieties it probably should have been called &#8220;Crusader&#8221; and was the oddest wine sampled on our trip.  We brought a bottle back for analysis in the lab.  </p>
<p>It will certainly be a true indication of Carignan&#8217;s reversal of fortune if it starts showing up on import labels.  I know that the Chateau d’Oupia Les Hérétiques bottle never listed grape varieties, although Louis/Dressner doesn&#8217;t do explanatory back label for any of its wines.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had no idea about the Nîmes/denim connection but now that I think about it, it does make sense, as does your carignan jeans analogy. Good fun reading! And I have to say if Jancis doesn't like it than it probably means I swallow truckloads of the stuff. I follow every word she says but I've still got to live in my own world, which is one frequently populated by Carignan-filled vin de pays. Mmmm.

To tell you the truth, I feel like a lot of these vin de pays brands are still a bit shy about revealing their Carignan. Sometimes, I appreciate a wine that I sense has a lot of Carignan in it but end up frustrated searching to find out the percentage in the blend. 

One great blend (of Carignan and Merlot of all things) is the &lt;a href="http://weingolb.blogspot.com/2006/03/mont-tauch-souvenir-from-michel-marty.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Michel Marty cuvée named L'If&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had no idea about the Nîmes/denim connection but now that I think about it, it does make sense, as does your carignan jeans analogy. Good fun reading! And I have to say if Jancis doesn&#8217;t like it than it probably means I swallow truckloads of the stuff. I follow every word she says but I&#8217;ve still got to live in my own world, which is one frequently populated by Carignan-filled vin de pays. Mmmm.</p>
<p>To tell you the truth, I feel like a lot of these vin de pays brands are still a bit shy about revealing their Carignan. Sometimes, I appreciate a wine that I sense has a lot of Carignan in it but end up frustrated searching to find out the percentage in the blend. </p>
<p>One great blend (of Carignan and Merlot of all things) is the <a href="http://weingolb.blogspot.com/2006/03/mont-tauch-souvenir-from-michel-marty.html" rel="nofollow">Michel Marty cuvée named L&#8217;If</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Rimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Rimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've tried an absolutely fantastic 100% Carignan made from very old vines called La Flame Noire de Chandelles. I bought it from www.justgreatwine.co.uk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve tried an absolutely fantastic 100% Carignan made from very old vines called La Flame Noire de Chandelles. I bought it from <a href="http://www.justgreatwine.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.justgreatwine.co.uk</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve De Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve De Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Marjo -- Tunisian Carignan, now that sounds exotic (at least to me since I've never tried it).   The vines are most likely old but I certainly can't vouch for the winemaker.  If you get it, please let me know how it was.  

Cheers and greetings to a fellow Wine Centurian,

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Marjo &#8212; Tunisian Carignan, now that sounds exotic (at least to me since I&#8217;ve never tried it).   The vines are most likely old but I certainly can&#8217;t vouch for the winemaker.  If you get it, please let me know how it was.  </p>
<p>Cheers and greetings to a fellow Wine Centurian,</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Steve De Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve De Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear C.P.Lee,

Flattery will get you nowhere.  Except, of course, here.  Thank you for the very kind words of encouragement.  Shanghai may not be a sophisticated market but must be a very interesting one with virtually every major winemaker looking for market share.  

Cheers,

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear C.P.Lee,</p>
<p>Flattery will get you nowhere.  Except, of course, here.  Thank you for the very kind words of encouragement.  Shanghai may not be a sophisticated market but must be a very interesting one with virtually every major winemaker looking for market share.  </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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