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		<title>By: Tasting Terms: Purity &#124; De Long Wine Moment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tasting Terms: Purity &#124; De Long Wine Moment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Simmons</title>
		<link>http://www.delongwine.com/news/2009/04/21/tasting-terms-brett-bomb/comment-page-1/#comment-70871</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to join the discussion late, but we can all agree that brett can add another layer of complexity to the wine. But like any fundamental component of wine, it must be in balance with all other aspects of the wine and even then that is a matter of palate preference. Whether or not the presence of &quot;cheesy horse blanket&quot; being a fault in a balanced wine will never be solved; as Ray states it is a matter of personal taste. Those who do not prefer it it will critique in a negative manner while those that do will view its as positive. Certainly Goode&#039;s review influences me to try the wine while Johnson&#039;s does not. Should their be a more objective way of reviewing or evaluating the influence of brett without sensationalist terms like &quot;brett-bomb&quot;? Or even assuming automatically that new-world wine drinkers would dislike this wine? This is certainly a death-knell for the sale of this wine to those consumers who by wines based off the review from a critic, as they will be influenced by the review and not evaluate the wine objectively. Its not so much an issue of brett being good or bad but the popular perception of it being good or bad and how that influences the consumer market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to join the discussion late, but we can all agree that brett can add another layer of complexity to the wine. But like any fundamental component of wine, it must be in balance with all other aspects of the wine and even then that is a matter of palate preference. Whether or not the presence of &#8220;cheesy horse blanket&#8221; being a fault in a balanced wine will never be solved; as Ray states it is a matter of personal taste. Those who do not prefer it it will critique in a negative manner while those that do will view its as positive. Certainly Goode&#8217;s review influences me to try the wine while Johnson&#8217;s does not. Should their be a more objective way of reviewing or evaluating the influence of brett without sensationalist terms like &#8220;brett-bomb&#8221;? Or even assuming automatically that new-world wine drinkers would dislike this wine? This is certainly a death-knell for the sale of this wine to those consumers who by wines based off the review from a critic, as they will be influenced by the review and not evaluate the wine objectively. Its not so much an issue of brett being good or bad but the popular perception of it being good or bad and how that influences the consumer market.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve De Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve De Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ray,

Thanks for the comment - I&#039;m sorry that I took you as a kind of brett basher!  It is a question of degree when it comes to brett.  The few times I rejected a wine because of it was when it had eclipsed all the other flavors, most memorably in an Italian white wine.  

Although I usually enjoy it in a wine, I have to say that if I were a wine maker I would make sure to eliminate it as much as possible.  

It&#039;s certainly not black and white!</description>
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<p>Thanks for the comment &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry that I took you as a kind of brett basher!  It is a question of degree when it comes to brett.  The few times I rejected a wine because of it was when it had eclipsed all the other flavors, most memorably in an Italian white wine.  </p>
<p>Although I usually enjoy it in a wine, I have to say that if I were a wine maker I would make sure to eliminate it as much as possible.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly not black and white!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.delongwine.com/news/2009/04/21/tasting-terms-brett-bomb/comment-page-1/#comment-70438</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent discussion of a complex subject Steve. Too often it&#039;s treated as black or white. 

Honestly, I have often found myself on the other side of the fence at a judging, arguing on behalf of a wine that showed a bit of horse blanket.  A bit can be quite fetching. Yet it&#039;s always a matter of degree, isn&#039;t it?  Few of us want to drink a wine that is brimming with brett and you&#039;re right that the point where it goes too far is a matter of personal taste.

Doug&#039;s point also reminds us that with bottle variation, we might not be experiencing the same wine. In addition to the evolution in the bottle that Doug describes, my go-to-guy for wine chemistry, Dr. Barry Gump, taught me another.  He said that the bloom may vary by bottle because the distribution of brett and its associated compounds are not uniform in a tank or barrel. Thus when the wine in question is sent to the bottles, some bottles might have more potential to smell foul than others. It&#039;s as if their starting blocks are placed at different points along the track. 

Great photo of brett too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent discussion of a complex subject Steve. Too often it&#8217;s treated as black or white. </p>
<p>Honestly, I have often found myself on the other side of the fence at a judging, arguing on behalf of a wine that showed a bit of horse blanket.  A bit can be quite fetching. Yet it&#8217;s always a matter of degree, isn&#8217;t it?  Few of us want to drink a wine that is brimming with brett and you&#8217;re right that the point where it goes too far is a matter of personal taste.</p>
<p>Doug&#8217;s point also reminds us that with bottle variation, we might not be experiencing the same wine. In addition to the evolution in the bottle that Doug describes, my go-to-guy for wine chemistry, Dr. Barry Gump, taught me another.  He said that the bloom may vary by bottle because the distribution of brett and its associated compounds are not uniform in a tank or barrel. Thus when the wine in question is sent to the bottles, some bottles might have more potential to smell foul than others. It&#8217;s as if their starting blocks are placed at different points along the track. </p>
<p>Great photo of brett too!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve De Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve De Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Doug - bottle variation is another possibility for the difference.  Still, I&#039;ve tried the 2004 du Cedre a few times over the past few years and haven&#039;t found huge differences.  It may be bottle variation but I think this one comes down to personal taste.  

I remember someone mentioning an experiment with controlled brett infections but I couldn&#039;t find anything online.  I did, however, find an excellent article through &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ablegrape.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Able Grape&lt;/a&gt; about methods of brett control in the winemaking process: 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://makewine.com/winemaking/materials/brettanomyces/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://makewine.com/winemaking/materials/brettanomyces/&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Brettanomyces tends to grow in a bell shape curve, usually with cell counts peaking six to ten months after barrelling. It appears that the cells use up a certain substrate and then die off. It is important to monitor Brettanomyces growth at each racking to see if the cell counts have peaked. Many winemakers feel if the populations of brett are decreasing prior to bottling, it is less likely a “brett bloom” will occur in the bottle.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Still, there&#039;s always a chance of a brett bomb or brett bloom!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Doug &#8211; bottle variation is another possibility for the difference.  Still, I&#8217;ve tried the 2004 du Cedre a few times over the past few years and haven&#8217;t found huge differences.  It may be bottle variation but I think this one comes down to personal taste.  </p>
<p>I remember someone mentioning an experiment with controlled brett infections but I couldn&#8217;t find anything online.  I did, however, find an excellent article through <a href="http://www.ablegrape.com/" rel="nofollow">Able Grape</a> about methods of brett control in the winemaking process: </p>
<p><a href="http://makewine.com/winemaking/materials/brettanomyces/" rel="nofollow">http://makewine.com/winemaking/materials/brettanomyces/</a><br />
<i>&#8220;Brettanomyces tends to grow in a bell shape curve, usually with cell counts peaking six to ten months after barrelling. It appears that the cells use up a certain substrate and then die off. It is important to monitor Brettanomyces growth at each racking to see if the cell counts have peaked. Many winemakers feel if the populations of brett are decreasing prior to bottling, it is less likely a “brett bloom” will occur in the bottle.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Still, there&#8217;s always a chance of a brett bomb or brett bloom!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t mind a little whiff of bretty aroma (&quot;4-EP&quot; or &quot;4-EG&quot;), as long as it doesn&#039;t overwhelm everything else. It can add complexity and charm.

But here&#039;s the problem: since it&#039;s a wild yeast that&#039;s tolerant of alcohol, it can keep on chugging away in the bottle. A wine that starts with a charming &quot;touch&quot; of brett may end up becoming a &quot;brett bomb&quot; in the bottle, which is why so many winemakers consider it anathema - it&#039;s something beyond their control that can ruin the product even after it leaves the winery.

For the same reason, it&#039;s also quite possible that the two bottles that Jamie and Ray tasted were very different -- given different conditions post-bottling, two different bottles may have had very different levels of &quot;brett&quot; aromas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#8217;t mind a little whiff of bretty aroma (&#8220;4-EP&#8221; or &#8220;4-EG&#8221;), as long as it doesn&#8217;t overwhelm everything else. It can add complexity and charm.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the problem: since it&#8217;s a wild yeast that&#8217;s tolerant of alcohol, it can keep on chugging away in the bottle. A wine that starts with a charming &#8220;touch&#8221; of brett may end up becoming a &#8220;brett bomb&#8221; in the bottle, which is why so many winemakers consider it anathema &#8211; it&#8217;s something beyond their control that can ruin the product even after it leaves the winery.</p>
<p>For the same reason, it&#8217;s also quite possible that the two bottles that Jamie and Ray tasted were very different &#8212; given different conditions post-bottling, two different bottles may have had very different levels of &#8220;brett&#8221; aromas.</p>
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